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Zinbiel's avatar

I stumbled across this post in my feed again.

I think Chalmers’ argument is flawed, with circular elements, but I would not really characterise it as purely circular.

I think the main problem with it is that it jumps tracks: it starts with a psychologically provided version of consciousness, but then it defines the outside-physics version that you attack. It uses the intuitive force of the original version of the explanatory target to drive the argument, which ends up being about something pointless and external to any of the logical or psychological processes involved in being mystified by consciousness, but it has been inspired by a real psychological phenomenon

As you note, the hypothetical aura argument is purely circular, but the main problem with the aura argument is that the argument is empty: it’s not about any intuition, it has no mysterious target that people believe must be real, no-one really cares if there are epiphenomenal auras outside physics.

The Hard Problem is not truly parallel to the hypothetical aura argument because Chalmers does have a target; there is something standing in need of explanation. The Hard Problem purports to be about something that should be just as empty as the hypothetical aura, if the HP took its own formulation seriously, but it is not actually empty, because the HP still has the psychologically sourced version of phenomenal consciousness giving content to his notion of “experience”.

A major issue with the Hard Problem is that it is based on an unacknowledged hybrid, such that the circularity of the formal components are obscured by the original explanatory target.

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James Vornov's avatar

My problem with the zombie part of the argument is that it tries to draw a conclusion from something that doesn’t exist and couldn’t exist. If you have a thalamus and a cortex working properly, you have consciousness, I can turn it off with a small dose of propofol. It seems trivial to me to argue from mechanism, not some funny thing that’s outside of physics you’ve imagined could happen. It’s like a thought experiment about a toaster that toasts water.

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